Is there a feminine equivalent for "Casanova" without negative connotations?
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2Chanova? -- Chanova Novinski (aka Chanova The Female Casanova) – Kris Oct 29 '13 at 05:24
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3What do you mean by the proviso "without negative connotations"? Are you merely asking a question parallel to 'Is there a feminine equivalent to "George"?'? Because the answers below don't answer accordingly - I don't see how 'siren', 'seductress' and 'temptress' can be claimed not to have 'negative connotations' (or probably even denotations). – Edwin Ashworth Oct 29 '13 at 09:16
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The equivalent that i am looking for should not lie into category of abusive words. – dev.patrick Oct 29 '13 at 09:28
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Answer: Taylor Swift. – Blessed Geek Oct 29 '13 at 23:09
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9What is a -male- equivalent for 'Casanova', without negative connotations? – Mitch Oct 30 '13 at 00:27
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4That occurred to me too, Mitch. Because of various sexual mores and double standards, Casanova can be a compliment or an insult depending on the audience. Thus, words like siren and femme fatale aren't necessarily bad choices, although I think a good answer should explain the subtleties of it rather than just throw the words out there. – Bradd Szonye Oct 30 '13 at 00:46
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dev.patrick: Could you please clarify what “Casanova” means to you? As noted above, it means different things to different people. Some see him as a role model, others as a scoundrel. Are you specifically looking for a purely positive term, or do you want something that reflects the social complexities of sexual prowess? – Bradd Szonye Oct 30 '13 at 00:49
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1For me Casanova- "A smooth-talking charmer male who has mastered the art of finding, meeting, attracting girls and he can smoothly maintain relations with all girls at same time".. So i am looking for feminine equivalent for the same. – dev.patrick Oct 30 '13 at 04:13
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There are so many responses, they are very close as well, still i haven't got the specific word am looking for. – dev.patrick Nov 01 '13 at 08:07
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1@dev.patrick So, you're looking for a word that means "A smooth-talking charmer female who has mastered the art of finding, meeting, attracting girls and she can smoothly maintain relations with all girls at same time?" I kinda want to know if there's a word for that, myself... – user867 Nov 12 '13 at 01:41
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Casanovita! =o) – Eli Mar 03 '14 at 13:46
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1As @David points out, the bounty prevents flagging as a dup of “Man” is to “womanizer” as “woman” is to what? But I think firstly that it is just a dup, and secondly there is no better answer than Avner's (which basically says "there is no answer, because it's a non-question"). – FumbleFingers Mar 04 '14 at 05:07
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@FumbleFingers What about Mario Elocio's answer, which neatly keeps all the positive and negative connotations of "Casanova" intact without compromise, is just as immediately understandable? Also, while "womaniser" is one possible meaning of Casanova, it's not the only one, and it's not exactly the definition given by this question's OP, either. – user867 Mar 04 '14 at 06:08
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@user867: If you honestly think the "family name" has meaning, I guess I can't argue that you don't. But so far as I'm concerned almost everyone who's heard of Casanova and would use or understand a figurative reference would at best attach it to the actual man. I've no reason to ascribe any particular characteristics to his sisters, and I don't see why anyone else would. – FumbleFingers Mar 04 '14 at 12:48
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1I looked into wikipedia. Casanova was a person. A womanizing person. He was a womanizer. So the equivalent for that has been answered before here: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/69129/man-is-to-womanizer-as-woman-is-to-what – DisplayName Mar 03 '14 at 13:33
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You might find an equivalent in fiction. In the sci-fi television series Firefly, companions might fit this role since they can have multiple partners (clients) and carry cachet. It meets the criteria of "smooth-talking charmer...." Admittedly that criteria is part of their profession, so I'm not sure if that disqualifies the term. – Zairja Mar 04 '14 at 19:27
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@FumbleFingers Whether or not it being a family name is the reason, I do think that the term could be applied to a woman without any danger of being misunderstood. – user867 Mar 05 '14 at 03:08
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@user867: If you're a native speaker, I don't understand why you would want to make me jump through hoops decoding all those cancelling negatives. If you're not a native speaker, don't be so presumptuous - learn English. – FumbleFingers Mar 05 '14 at 03:30
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@FumbleFingers I didn't realise I was using too many negatives. Sorry about that. How about "Whether or not it being a family name is the reason, I do think the term would be understood if applied to a woman." – user867 Mar 05 '14 at 03:50
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@user867: Okay, at least I see what you mean now. But you're wrong. Do you routinely transfer the attributes and sins of a man to his son? Or his sister? And how on earth do you reverse the sexual roles of male and female? There's no agreement among Anglophones at large about that, obviously. Try explaining to the average Christian what it would mean if God turned out to be "female". – FumbleFingers Mar 05 '14 at 04:07
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@FumbleFingers I must admit to being confused by your latest comment. Calling someone a "Casanova" is a way of indicating that they possesses some traits attributed to the historical figure. I have not claimed that this means the original's traits necessarily apply to everyone with that name, nor that those traits are possessed by any of his relatives. (Incidentally, as an average Christian of my denomination, I have no problem with God being female; I'm not sure what the average across all denominations might be, however.) – user867 Mar 05 '14 at 05:10
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Just to clarify my position, I agree that Avner's answer is a fine one: The romantic, societal and sexual roles of male and female are not equivalent. Nevertheless, I believe enough parallels can be drawn (even if there is disagreement on exactly what those parallels are) that a "near enough" answer is could be 'useful,' to the OP, and therefore deserving of an upvote alongside Avner's answer. – user867 Mar 05 '14 at 05:31
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@user867: Like I said in the first place, the primary traits for which Casanova is known are male, and there is no meaningful way to assess what it might imply to "translate" them into female equivalents. You say you've no problem with God being female, but what does that mean* to you? And whatever it means to you, do you seriously suppose all your fellow Christians would subscribe to the same ideas as you? I doubt it. – FumbleFingers Mar 05 '14 at 05:32
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@FumbleFingers Please see my most recent comment; I suspect I posted it as you were writing yours. And I didn't claim that all Christians have the same beliefs as myself, or even that all Christians in my denomination share the same beliefs; I was trying to draw attention to your reference to "the average Christian" being meaningless without a common frame of reference. – user867 Mar 05 '14 at 05:35
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1@user867: We're going round in circles here. So far as I'm concerned, Avner's answer is is the only credible one. It was posted months ago, and putting a bounty on this question isn't going to attract anything better. As I see it, the pointless bounty serves no purpose apart from to annoy me, by preventing me from closevoting a worthless question. – FumbleFingers Mar 05 '14 at 05:39
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This does remind me of the "no perfect synonyms" argument, somewhat. It's possible to argue that there are no perfect synonyms; However, insisting upon that result leaves us in the awkward position of not being able to discuss what are commonly and usefully called synonyms without continual clarifications and disclaimers. On the other hand, you can say that there are particular contexts where the concept has merit, and discuss those - but then you have to define what a synonym is for the purposes of that discussion. Hmm. – user867 Mar 05 '14 at 05:57
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@user867 I think there's quite a distance between "there are no perfect synonyms", which I agree is so broad so as to theoretically disqualify any discussion of synonyms, and this question, which deals with the very charged topic of gender and sexuality, which I believe is a specific case where no good female equivalent exists. If so many people over many months failed to find a word that isn't so loaded with extraneous meaning, it might be a good clue. – Avner Shahar-Kashtan Mar 07 '14 at 08:52
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4To the person who awarded the bounty on this answer. What!? First, "Promiscuous hussie" has two words not one, secondly, it's spelt hussy. Third, if ever there was a sexist and more negative image of a female equivalent of Casanova, it's hard to come up with one worse than promiscuous hussy. Finally, "polyamorous" is not exclusive to women. It's shameful, and I as a woman, am deeply offended by the idea that the OP believes that a woman "Casanova" who has multiple sexual partners is a "hussy". – Mari-Lou A Mar 11 '14 at 03:44
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Merriam-Webster defines hetaera as "one of a class of highly cultivated courtesans in ancient Greece." If you are looking for the female embodiment of Casanova (in terms of sexual irresistibility and notoriety), you might consider the hetaera Phryne, who is famous for (among other things) her relationship with the sculptor Praxiteles and her trial before the Aeropagus on a charge of impiety. – Sven Yargs Sep 22 '14 at 06:53
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I don't think you can find a term that is entirely symmetrical, because the cultural concepts of romantic and sexual pursuit aren't symmetrical. Identical behavior in a man and a woman will usually be interpreted differently in most cultures I know.
The reason it's hard for you to find a non-perjorative female counterpart to casanova, and the reason so many of the suggestions given here are either negative in connotations (maneater, siren) or full of other connotations (Mata Hari, Cleopatra) isn't in the words and names, they just reflect a cultural bias inherent in our society.
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Casanova does not have a consistent definition but here are a few typical examples:
Casanova — 1) A man who is amorously and gallantly attentive to women. 2) A promiscuous man; a philanderer.
Casanova — a man with a reputation for having many amorous adventures; rake; Don Juan.
Casanova — lover; especially a man who is a promiscuous and unscrupulous lover
The closest match I could find was femme fatale:
A femme fatale is a mysterious and seductive woman whose charms ensnare her lovers in bonds of irresistible desire, often leading them into compromising, dangerous, and deadly situations.
femme fatale — an irresistibly attractive woman, especially one who leads men into difficult, dangerous, or disastrous situations; siren.
femme fatale — a woman who attracts men by an aura of charm and mystery
The major difference between the two is that a Casanova typically pursues women while a femme fatale lures men. Most of the other suggestions have the same fundamental issue. Typically, any term referring to a women to chases or charms men has extremely negative connotations (e.g. slut; seducer). Casanova doesn't completely escape these negative connotations but there is still a sense of accomplishment or prowess in the Casanova's ability to charm women.
Of the variants I know, the most positive simply describe the women's attractiveness:
- bombshell
- pin-up girl
- supermodel
- sex symbol
Which, again, falls into the category of the women luring men instead of chasing after them and winning their hearts through charm.
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2Casanova does have a consistent definition. Giacomo Casanova was real person who was known for seducing women. See here. I would say that all three of your definitions are at best nuanced, but really the same. Otherwise, I agree with your answer. – David M Mar 04 '14 at 21:53
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Perhaps a fatal (punintended) distinction is that a femme fatale is remarkable specifically for the doom she brings to her victims. A victim of Cassanova is not expected to have a dire fate. I will grant you that both terms confer on their partners a degree of forgiveness -- the mollification of victimhood. – Bob Stein Mar 09 '14 at 13:57
A siren is a good term for a beautiful woman that lures men to do what she wants.
Urban dictionary - Siren
A very attractive female who has many boys drooling over her.
The classic tease. A girl who leads on multiple guys with either her attraction or seductive personality, only to reject every offer sent her way; leaving the guy to grieve over his shortcoming.
Seductress or temptress might have the classical connotation that Casanova has.
Temptress
a woman who seduces someone, esp. one who entices a man into sexual activity.
There is also man-eater for the 80s Hall and Oates fans:
So many have paid to see
What you think
You're gettin' for free
The woman is wild
A she-cat tamed
By the purr of a Jaguar
Money's the matter
If you're in it for love
You ain't gonna get too far(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Watch out boy She'll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
She's a maneater
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@BraddSzonye I think man-eater does but I do not agree with the others suggestions. Siren, temptress, and seductress carry the same meaning to me. However if you view women different from men in our society - in that they are not supposed have fun and sleep around then I would agree they might have negative connotations. I though would love to find a temptress. – RyeɃreḁd Oct 29 '13 at 13:36
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1@BraddSzonye - I understand where siren came from. I do not agree that when used in a modern sentence to describe a woman that it conveys that she wants to destroy a man. I see it used commonly in basic gossip/pub and it conveys a woman who can captivate you with her looks. It is used a lot when describing girls in the music biz but hear it for actresses and whatever. http://portalnicole.com/en/2012/01/04/the-top-10-sexiest-sirens-of-2011/ – RyeɃreḁd Oct 29 '13 at 22:26
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Collins defines that sense of the word as “a woman considered to be dangerously alluring or seductive.” Random House attests “a seductively beautiful or charming woman, esp. one who beguiles men.” Just because the meaning has softened in some contexts doesn't mean that it's free from negative connotation – or in this case, negative denotation. Note also that media sources are likely taking advantage of the “dangerous” connotation – the same sources will often refer to similar women as femmes fatale. – Bradd Szonye Oct 29 '13 at 22:35
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@BraddSzonye - I don't disagree with you but I feel that is outdated usage. I updated my answer with sourced definitions. I am sorry but if you asked the average 20-something what a siren is, they would answer "hot girl that plays with boys". The word has evolved. Looking at examples of usage it seems to be the best fit for Casanova - although I like seductress. – RyeɃreḁd Oct 29 '13 at 22:42
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2Unfortunately, I don't think the edit improves the answer. This sounds entirely negative to me: “A girl who leads on multiple guys with either her attraction or seductive personality, only to reject every offer sent her way; leaving the guy to grieve over his shortcoming.” More to the point, it argues against using the word like Casanova, who is anything but a tease. I recommend removing the word (and man-eater) from the answer. – Bradd Szonye Oct 29 '13 at 23:00
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I agree with Bradd. "Siren" has negative connotations based simply on the description of her luring people. – MrHen Oct 30 '13 at 00:16
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On second thought, I think I may have overstated the case against siren. It's a reasonable answer, with mixed connotations similar to Casanova and femme fatale. I don't think the answer does a good job of supporting that in its current state, however. – Bradd Szonye Oct 30 '13 at 00:54
Casanova a man famed for his love of women. An Italian man who had more lovers in his bed than you or I have had hot dinners. Therefore when asking for a female equivalent we must think of a lascivious woman, a woman who didn't seduce men in order to uncover their secrets, gain power, wealth, or position. But a woman who is (or was) sexually uninhibited someone who adored men and above all making love. There is one historical figure who is recognized to be one of the most influential and powerful woman leaders in history.
Catherine the Great
Catherine the Great was empress of Russia from 1762 until she died in 1796. After her husband had failed to satisfy her sexual needs for seven years she began to take many lovers to her bed, in fact she quickly developed a taste for young soldiers.
She had a special area built in her bedroom, which was curtained off and where she received her lovers. Gregory Orlov was her on and off lover for around thirteen years. He was said to possess excellent equipment, unbelievable ‘stamina’ and an insatiable appetite for sex. She had several lovers at the same time and they were expected to perform as and when needed. If they did not satisfy they were kicked out of the palace, but given a handsome sum of money first. Her young men were carefully vetted for fear of diseases. The court physician would first examine them thoroughly; then they would be passed on to the Countess Bruce, who would interview them, inform them of what the empress liked and did not like in bed. Then she would proceed to try them out, to ensure they were all they were all they promised to be. Only then would they be ‘delivered’ to a suite of rooms, where a box of 100,000 roubles would be waiting for them, as a gift for the services they were about to render
If a woman was compared to "Catherine the Great" I think, nowadays, she would be flattered (as long as she didn't delve too deeply in Catherine the Great's "achievements".) Besides, the adjective great is perfect, it suggests that the woman being compared is "great in bed".
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This is an interesting answer, and I like how you put a positive spin on Catherine's sexual exploits, although I'm concerned that other people wouldn't reach the same conclusion. Her sexual notoriety has a dark side, including some unfortunate apocrypha about Catherine and a horse, and I'm afraid that people might jump to that rather than thinking of it as something empowering. – Bradd Szonye Oct 30 '13 at 01:14
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If anyone can get get away with the reputational problem of having many lovers, an Empress can. So +1 from me. – Pitarou Oct 30 '13 at 04:59
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@BraddSzonye I don't think that "equestrian" legend has ever been confirmed, it could well have been a rumour spread by her enemies to discredit Catherine after her death. But I was aware of that distasteful story hence my parenthetical comment. – Mari-Lou A Oct 30 '13 at 06:10
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1According to this comment made by the OP: For me Casanova- "A smooth-talking charmer male who has mastered the art of finding, meeting, attracting girls and he can smoothly maintain relations with all girls at same time".. So i am looking for feminine equivalent for the same And the answer deserving his bounty is "promiscuous hussy". I am DUMBFOUNDED! It's a disgrace, all along the OP was searching for an abusive, derogatory term to label women who have different sexual partners. – Mari-Lou A Mar 11 '14 at 04:18
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1And this comment The equivalent that i am looking for should not lie into category of abusive words Is further proof that the OP's original request and the answer awarded the bounty are in extreme conflict. – Mari-Lou A Mar 11 '14 at 04:23
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Found myself here via a circuitous route (as opposed to the Via Appia Antica, which I had the pleasure of walking since this answer), and wondered if you've seen the American series "The Great", about Catherine et al? Great show, what fun! – anongoodnurse Dec 24 '22 at 03:26
Casanova
Since Casanova is a family name, it could just as easily apply to a woman as to a man, also in the sense of
lover; who is a promiscuous and unscrupulous
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2This is a really good answer! Unless I'm mistaken, "She's a real Casanova" would be as readily understood as "He's a real Casanova" would be. – user867 Nov 12 '13 at 01:47
Perhaps vamp
a seductive woman who uses her sensuality to exploit men.
Per the Oxford English Dictionary, vamp is originally English, used first by G. K. Chesterton, but popularized in the American silent film The Vamp, starring Enid Bennett
From the plot summary of the movie The Vamp:
Nancy, a naive young girl who works backstage at a musical-comedy theatre, learns from the chorus girls the notion of winning a man by the seductive method of "vamping" him.
A true equivalent to Casanova is hard to come up with, because the mere act of persuading large numbers of men to mate isn't much of an achievement for a woman.
Cleopatra and Mata Hari were noted for their ability to seduce high-status men. They made up in quality what they lacked in quantity.
Venus and Aphrodite, as goddesses, had the sexual license to toy with numerous lovers.
As a Hollywood movie star, Mae West also had some of the license of the classical goddesses, and made full use of it.
Vita Sackville-West gets honourable mention for seducing women as well as men.
If I had to pick one, it would be Mata Hari.
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The problem with Cleopatra and Mata Hari is that their claims to fame are primarily based on other accomplishments - ruling Egypt and being an effective spy. Casanova, on the other hand, was primarily known for his amorous activities. – bib Oct 29 '13 at 11:42
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@bib Given the manner of her death, I suggest Mata Hari was an ineffective spy. – Andrew Lazarus Oct 29 '13 at 20:34
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2Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Mata Hari was primarily a courtesan -- the spying was just a sideline. I chose her because, like Casanova, I knew the name and what it stood for long before I knew anything about the person. – Pitarou Oct 29 '13 at 23:11
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But she became famous for being a spy. To the extent her name has become an archetype, it highlights the appropriation of a courtesan's access for espionage. You don't call someone a Mata Hari just for being successful at seduction. It's for having ulterior purposes. – Bob Stein Mar 04 '14 at 09:26
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@Pitarou my friend Patxi says we'll all become famous for the wrong reasons. – Bob Stein Mar 05 '14 at 10:57
I suggest enchantress. I reach this conclusion after elaborating below upon the interpretation of Casanova and related gender-specific and gender-neutral words:
While being referred to as a Casanova carries the suggestive meaning that one is a man with many sexual conquests, it also has the less provocative meaning of being a man with many female companions, being charming and charismatic, and in many ways attractive to women.
Other similar words that are more gender neutral and that carry the same coarse and clean meanings are player and swinger. Both words describe a personal and a public nature of the individual, where the public side is that of a flamboyant character who finds himself or herself to be regularly and happily in the company of a person of the opposite sex.
This public display represents a more tasteful side of the Casanova/Player/Swinger character trait, and thus might even be considered a positive character trait.
Entertainers like Humphrey Bogart, Peter Lawford, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Joey Bishop, and Sammie Davis, Jr. (Known collectively as "The Rat Pack") come to mind as men of this type. (And one should not forget their close friend and famous "swordsman", Errol Flynn.) These are all people whom we welcomed into our homes on the television for family entertainment, and it was their swinger (in a positive sense) attitudes and their gregarious personalities that made them so interesting and fun. Women swooned over them, and to call them Casanovas was appropriate just for the dizzying interest they provoked and encouraged.
To find a word for a woman whose presence spans the same breadth, consisting not just of the sexuality, but also of that interest-gathering energy level, obviously takes some consideration. Most men, after all, won't grant as much importance to a woman's personality or sit transfixed at a party where the female hostess holds court for everyone's entertainment. But a woman who can be more of a mistress than a hostess, in that she has the power to control men while keeping them spellbound, would qualify.
This brings me to the word enchantress, which is a woman of great charm and fascination, an irresistibly charming woman, a woman who is considered dangerously seductive, a woman with seemingly magical powers.
Synonyms of enchantress (some of which have already been provided in other answers) are really only near equivalents:
- Femme fatale has a destructive attribute than an enchantress doesn’t necessarily have.
- Temptress emphasizes the seductive side, and leaves out the captivating (non-sexual) charm.
- Delilah was a seductive and treacherous woman, known best for bringing down Sampson, a man who mocked her with lies about his strength. She hardly fits the charming and fascinating model.
- Godess is a woman greatly admired or adored, usually for he beauty.
- Siren is seductive and beautiful, and the mythological nymphs by that name were known to fascinate mariners with their sweet singing, while luring them to destruction on their island (making them the equivalent of femme fatales).
Quoting some web authors on what an enchantress is, here are some thoughts:
The enchantress has a feminine allure, and is at the same time fiercely independent and confident. Enchantresses understand that every man needs to feel like the best man he can be through the supportive love of a woman. They were beloved by the knights not just because they knew how to feed male sexual desires, but because they knew how to make their men better knights! (source)
and
The enchantresses in the legends of King Arthur brought balance to a society ruled by male domination. Through their seductive, female magic they magnetized the men of Camelot-- the King’s warriors set aside their brutish behavior and broke their backs to court these women. They acted with chivalry in the hopes of earning a smidgen of feminine admiration and tender, female affection. (source)
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When a man chases women and beds them, it's a kind of achievement for them but when a woman does the same, she is looked down upon.
So, I think there is no apt female counterpart for Casanova without negative connotations. A woman's real achievement is drawing/luring men towards her. And many of the answers have already listed terms for those women.
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A Casanova is a man who
- is unusually, famously successful at seduction,
- is as ardently sought as he is a notorious seeker,
- has multiple female lovers,
- who are generally not jealous of each other,
- is desired by many other women,
- may be respected,
- may be reviled.
- Being his victim may be a point of pride.
A courtesan is a woman who
- is unusually, famously successful at seduction,
- is as ardently sought as she is a notorious seeker,
- has multiple male lovers,
- who are generally not jealous of each other,
- is desired by many other men,
- may be respected,
- may be reviled,
- Being her victim may be a point of pride.
Depending upon the application, the exchange of money may make a courtesan too dissimilar to a Cassanova. On the other hand it may be immaterial, or less notable than the above similarities. It may reflect instead some of the asymmetry of gender roles that @AvnerShaharKashtan talks about, in what a man or a woman brings to the table in seduction.
Since Casanova is a man, I'm going to suggest here a biblical woman:
Delilah
(Old Testament) the Philistine mistress of Samson who betrayed him by cutting off his hair and so deprived him of his strength
a woman who is considered to be dangerously seductive
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Depending on your audience, slut works well.
In the past dozen years, polyamorous and LGBT communities have reclaimed the term from typical pejorative usage. This new definition stems from a book, The Ethical Slut, which states:
[A] slut is a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you.
The book, subtitled A Practical Guide to Polyamory, "discusses how to live an active life with multiple concurrent sexual relationships in a fair and honest way [emphasis added]."
This is a close match to the criteria proposed in the comments (a "charmer" who can "smoothly maintain relations with all at the same time").
Most people will not consider this alternative definition, even if you specify that you are describing an ethical slut. Nevertheless, it is worth noting that there are minority groups where the word embodies the idea of a "Casanova without negative connotations."
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- SOCIALITE !
- Charismatic
- ingénue
- charmer
- Perfect Match
- girl next door
- the popular girl
- social butterfly
- miss congeniality
- cruise director
- leader
- CEO
- matchmaker
- eligible bachelorette
- dame on the dating scene
- confident woman
- in charge
- lover
- girlfriend
- choosy
- dater
- datemaster
- modern woman
- adult
- Liberated woman
- Diva
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1None of these convey the sense of seduction that Casanova was known for. – David M Mar 04 '14 at 02:10
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Most aren't close. Socialites are people whose main activity is socialising. Cruise directors direct cruises - not aware of any other meaning. Charismatic, social butterfly, leader, confident woman, diva, adult, CEO (?!?) and many others don't say anything about a woman's love life. Eligible bachelorette is passive. Matchmakers make romantic matches for other people. "Dame on the dating scene" is good (though I've not heard it before). – user56reinstatemonica8 May 29 '14 at 09:06