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My boyfriend and I are arguing whether thousands of miles means 1000+ or 2000+ miles.

The first argument is that 1000+ is over 1000 and therefore 'thousands of miles' by rounding up.

The other argument is that thousands are a unit, and if you only have one unit plus a fraction of that unit it is not 'thousands of miles', it is a thousand miles plus the fraction: therefore only 2000+ is really 'thousands of miles'.

Edwin Ashworth
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    I don’t think rounding up works when pluralising numbers. Would you (or your boyfriend, whoever forwards the argument) also consider 30 hours to be several days? Or 13 people to be dozens of people? When dealing with such large numbers, the general ‘feel’ of the number seems more important to me than the precise number. I might well say there were thousands of people at a concert even though there were only 1,986 people there; but I wouldn’t say the Song Dynasty (960–1279) was founded thousands of years ago. – Janus Bahs Jacquet Dec 09 '13 at 00:24
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    I've been drinking, but may I suggest you find a new boyfriend? – Michael Owen Sartin Dec 09 '13 at 03:11
  • Hmmm, considering it as a unit like you did, I think I will still say 1000+ as thousands (like 1.5kg as 1.5 kilograms) –  Dec 09 '13 at 04:42
  • Sounds familiar. Have you checked previous posts? This may have been already answered. – Kris Dec 09 '13 at 06:50
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    @MichaelOwenSartin - I disagree. If you can't debate etymology with your significant other, there's only so much joy that can come out of the relationship :^) – J.R. Dec 09 '13 at 09:44
  • @ecru You should be glad – you might get 10 000+ downvotes. – Edwin Ashworth Dec 09 '13 at 11:21
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    In my opinion, 0 is a perfectly valid number of thousands to have. – David Schwartz Dec 09 '13 at 12:23
  • Stack Exchange - settling disputes between SOs since 2009. – called2voyage Dec 09 '13 at 15:56
  • Ok let me start by to settle this listen to music... "I would walk a thousand miles". You would also say, "I would walk two thousand miles." 2,000 and up you would start to say thousands of miles if not specifying, such as I walked thousands of miles. Also as a comment to going by whats in a dictionary is usually what common culture dictates and is not a rule that one person made; thus discrepancies. Similar issues can be found in "monies" versus "money". I ask people for money because I am not dealing with several different currencies, but most people deal with monies as a singular instance. – Shawn Dec 09 '13 at 17:20
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    Actually, the unit argument works against what it's trying to prove. As one would not say 1.01 kilogram. The singular for a unit is used only when there is exactly 1 of them. Even 0.5 we say kilograms. That being said, thousand is not a unit. It's 1000 units, of whatever those units are. – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 17:58
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    @Cruncher zero point five kilograms, or a half kilogram. – Kirk Broadhurst Dec 09 '13 at 19:06
  • @KirkBroadhurst Yeah, you could say a half I guess. Actually for any 1/x kilograms, you could "a xth kilogram". But these are special cases. – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 19:27
  • @Shawn - I would not call these "discrepancies;" I would call them "nuances." The word thousands can mean "oodles" in some contexts, but a statistician using the word in a technical paper might have a different (yet equally valid) definition in mind. – J.R. Dec 09 '13 at 20:00
  • @J.R. There's thousands of comments on this question – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 21:08
  • @Cruncher actually i think you can generalize it as x/y, where x<y for instance 5/16 of a kilogram. For x>=y I think it would just sound awkward to say, e.g. 3/2 of a kilogram or even 3/2 kilograms both sound wrong, but 1 and a half kilograms works fine and also pluralizes the kilogram. – Michael Dec 09 '13 at 22:41
  • Also, I don't seem to have enough rep "on this site" to reply, but I think the problem boils down to the fact that you are asking at what point does one pluralize a plural? If we attach an object to "thousand" such as "birds" then we can pluralize it for any value > (maybe !=) 1, e.g. one and a half thousand birds, because we pluralize the object, not the thousands. But you're asking at what point it becomes thousands, and when you say "thousands" the actual number of thousands is never explicitly stated, e.g. "Three thousands birds" is wrong, "Thousands of birds" is right but indeterminate. – Michael Dec 09 '13 at 22:48
  • @Cruncher - I wouldn't say "thousands" in this case, but one might be able get away with "dozens" or "scores", even if we haven't quite reached 24 or 40. – J.R. Dec 09 '13 at 23:06
  • Essentially, it is going to depend heavily on both opinion, and what you are describing thousands of. Someone claiming to have thousands of dollars would probably be expected to pass a different limit to be considered thosands to someone describing thousands of grains of sand. – Owen Dec 10 '13 at 12:23
  • @J.R. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole – Cruncher Dec 10 '13 at 15:38
  • @Cruncher - Oh! Well, if you put it that way, there are hundreds of comments on this question :^) – J.R. Dec 10 '13 at 19:41

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If your argument was that thousands means 2000+, then you could show your boyfriend the following dictionaries, which define thousands in your favour:

Do not show him the following dictionaries, which define thousands in his favour:

I'd say opinion is well and truly divided.

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    Another usage contrasts with the 2000s, 3000s etc (ie 1000 - 1999). But obviously this isn't the OP's usage. – Edwin Ashworth Dec 09 '13 at 08:55
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    @Susan - Of course that's a valid definition of the word thousands, but that's in the context of the phrase in(to) the thousands. "The number of casualties reached into the thousands" could mean 1002, or 1064. However, saying "There were thousands of casualties" may or may not be an equivalent remark, depending on the answer to the O.P.'s question. As a side note, I think Def #4 (a great number or amount) shows how context-dependent this can be – especially when thousands refers to an estimate rather than a known count. – J.R. Dec 09 '13 at 10:03
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    There is a difference between the category of thousands and a quantity of thousands. 1001 is a quantity categorized under thousands. You can't say that Florida is "States", but you could say that Florida is "in the States" or that Florida plus Ohio are "states". Likewise, 1001 is in the thousands, or 2001 is thousands, but 1001 is never thousands. – nmclean Dec 09 '13 at 16:21
  • @SusanGerard I prefer that definition than saying "1000 to 9999" actually. Thousands goes till you hit a million. Millions goes until you hit a billion etc. (at least in some sense of the words). But they are of course contextual. – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 18:03
  • @Cruncher Heresy! Millions actually go until you hit a thousand million (or a milliard) – kinokijuf Dec 09 '13 at 20:19
  • @kinokijuf Oh, so we're doing long scale now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales curious, if saying thousand million is correct, can I say one hundred thousand million? – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 20:21
  • Yes, but i prefer “one hundred milliard”. – kinokijuf Dec 09 '13 at 20:25
  • @kinokijuf I would have figured. The page just isn't clear on whether or not that is the only correct way or not. – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 20:28
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    Calling a milliard a “billion” is American, which means it is not only wrong, but also evil. – kinokijuf Dec 09 '13 at 20:32
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    @kinokijuf That was a very american-like bold unjustified claim of you :). The list of long scale/short scale users(by number of countries, disregarding population) is near-equal according to wikipedia, and looks like a few more for short-scale. – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 20:59
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If someone said "I have thousands of dollars" and really they had $1900, then you would say they are a liar or romancer. If they really had $2100, you'd think they are nominally correct, but being somewhat misleading. I'd say it gets to be "thousands" around $3000.

One may even say thousands' meaning up until the next threshold, which would be up to roughly 8 or 9 thousand where one would start to say 'around 10,000', then 'almost 20,000' before one gets to 'tens of thousands'.

This can be generalized (the internal feeling of sense is maintained) to tens, hundreds, etc.

This is not the same as when to use the plural with a number and 'thousand'.

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    Yes; pragmatic considerations (how the terms are generally perceived in context) are surely the most important here. This answer is the clearest. There are times when it's silly to argue for the "nominally correct, but somewhat misleading" (ie prescriptivist) answer. And if a 3-year-old said 'I walked thousands of miles last week', I'd interpret differently again. – Edwin Ashworth Dec 09 '13 at 08:59
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    And personally, I don't expect "thousands" to mean more than twenty thousand, either. At that point, you're talking about "tens of thousands", then "hundreds of thousands" etc. – calum_b Dec 09 '13 at 15:52
  • @scottishwildcat: good point - that is really what this is all about, what are the thresholds for the 'tens', 'hundreds', 'thousands', 'tens of thousands' approximation. – Mitch Dec 09 '13 at 16:50
  • @EdwinAshworth And in the summer time, it must be a thousand degrees is my house! – Cruncher Dec 09 '13 at 21:03
  • It feels like you're going for the "one, two, many" system of counting, applied to indeterminate numbers — "one thousand, two thousand, thousands…, ten thousand, twenty thousands, tens of thousands…". I like it :) – anotherdave Dec 10 '13 at 19:34
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Thousands means "greater than one where n = 1000, that is, whole thousands.

You can't take a person standing next to severed foot and 'round up' to two people. You can, however, say a person standing next to a half-torso (plus extremities, etc.) equals one and a half bodies.

One and a half thousand is 1500. Thousands = multiples of "thousand".

Which position was yours, if I may ask?

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I would say the plural means n*1000.

Interesting aside. There was a public auction for broadcast rights in the UK where one of the bidders was unopposed but paid £2000. The small print stated that bids had to be multiples of £1000 and their lawyers were worried that a court might argue that £1000 wasn't a multiple of a £1000.

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  • That's funny, deserving of a click here. – Jolenealaska Dec 09 '13 at 01:15
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    @Susan: The real question is not whether the lawyers studied math, but whether the judges (assuming it did end up in court) did. Anyway, it's just plain old risk management: if the cost of later losing the rights due to a silly court decision was in the millions, then spending an extra £1000 to eliminate even a 0.1% risk of such a decision would be well justified. To a big corporation, £1000 or £2000 is just pocket change, anyway. – Ilmari Karonen Dec 09 '13 at 16:04
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    What about when n < 1? – User1000547 Dec 09 '13 at 19:23
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I remember my math professor explaining the importance of approximations in different contexts:

"For an engineer, pi is a number around 3. For an astronaut, there aren't nearly enough decimals available. For two lovers, pi equals 10. Or any other number."

For you and your boyfriend, thousands should be both more and less than 2000. Why really argue?

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    I'm guessing that this "argument" wasn't a heated and contested spat, but a friendly debate instead. If I'm not mistaken, then asking "Why really argue?" is like asking "Why ever voice a contrary opinion?" – J.R. Dec 09 '13 at 10:09
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    @J.R. Well, I do hope this "thousands" story is not a reason for a break up :) and my answer is more about bringing a smile. I do agree that having different opinions is part of a healthy relationship. – Sam Dec 09 '13 at 10:41
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    Actually, a dozen or so digits of pi should be plenty enough for an astronaut, or for pretty much any other practical purpose. Anything past that is just showing off. – Ilmari Karonen Dec 09 '13 at 16:21