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Often people will pretend that they are totally innocent just to get other people to be claimed as guilty. They will not take accountability for something that occurred or their mistakes. How do you tell if they are this kind of person based off of the way they are talking or using their English?

Second part, What is an idiom that could be used to describe this kind of person? I am writing a story with a character like so in it.

Here's my assumption of what that idiom would be:

He's Just a blind seeker.

I'm not sure if that's accurate or even a real official idiom.

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  • What's more central to the idea: that the person "looks like they're innocent," or that they pretend or try to appear innocent? – herisson Oct 01 '15 at 22:19
  • well in a sense both, they appear and try to appear innocent to those around you but really are not – anonymous Oct 01 '15 at 22:20
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    I think the person you're describing is a liar. And if there were a good way to tell which people are liars and which are telling the truth there would be a sudden shortage of political candidates. – Hot Licks Oct 01 '15 at 22:21
  • well I'm looking for a unique way to put it so I'm not looking for a common single-word. I'm looking for an idiom. And what do you mean by a shortage of political candidates – anonymous Oct 01 '15 at 22:27
  • If the public could easily tell which ones were lying it would eliminate a lot of candidates quickly. – Hot Licks Oct 01 '15 at 22:31
  • (You might consider "con man" or "confidence man".) – Hot Licks Oct 01 '15 at 22:45
  • Perhaps "He's just a two faced innocent". – Graffito Oct 01 '15 at 23:00
  • OP, your assumed idiom doesn't exactly exist, but perhaps you were thinking of something like "Stumbling in/through the dark(ness)"? – shaunxer Oct 01 '15 at 23:17
  • ok that was what I was looking for. I was looking to find if it did exist – anonymous Oct 01 '15 at 23:22
  • could what i put in my example sentence count as a real and new idiom? – anonymous Oct 01 '15 at 23:23
  • Sorry, Anonymous, that needs only a quick reference to a dictionary of psychology.

    There might be a link between what you describe and a blind seeker but if there is, it’s not obvious. Could you show a few examples of its use?

    – Robbie Goodwin Mar 18 '18 at 23:00

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I've only known the expression

[he looks as though] butter wouldn't melt in his mouth

to be used when referring to someone who is good at dissembling.

Although other reference works give a less pejorative sense, Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary & Thesaurus only gives this sense:

used when someone ​looks as if they would never do anything ​wrong, ​although you ​feel they might:

Tommy ​looked as if butter wouldn't ​melt in his ​mouth.

  • but how does this refer to an absolute? It says he looks like that but is it absolute that he is that? – anonymous Oct 01 '15 at 23:36
  • I've answered 'What's an idiom for someone who looks and acts like they're innocent?' (stretching the term 'idiom' somewhat). '[They look like] butter wouldn't melt in their mouth' can be used of all such. As you imply, without obvious evidence to the contrary, it's often not easy to tell how sincere these people are (How do you tell if they are this kind of person based [on] the way they are talking or using their English?) (but this is hardly a topic for ELU). Judgement calls are obviously required, and the expression I've offered could well be used of a person suspected of dissembling. – Edwin Ashworth Oct 01 '15 at 23:46
  • ok that is more understandable. – anonymous Oct 01 '15 at 23:47
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You might say such a person is "feigning innocence or ignorance", "playing dumb or innocent", or "acting naive"

You might want to take a look a this related post, Idiom/phrase which means “to pretend not to understand or know”

As to the first part of your question, if you could come up with a definitive answer to that which could be broadly applied to all people, you could make a lot of money off of it. If you're trying to figure out how to write such a character, you'll probably need to determine what particular "tells" that specific person has when he or she is being dishonest. You could get some ideas by researching common tells when someone is lying.

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Consider sail under false colors and [not] show one's true colors

sail under false colors: To behave deceptively; the “colors” of a ship are its identifying flags: It turned out that the door-to-door sales rep was sailing under false colors and was actually a swindler (The American Heritage Dictionary)

show one's true colors: reveal oneself as one really is, as in We always thought he was completely honest, but he showed his true colors when he tried to use a stolen credit card. (The American Heritage Dictionary)

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For your first question- that's a very difficult one to answer if you're thinking that there are words that only a liar might use.

Determining phony behavior is more about how you say your words and less of what you say. Hopefully that makes sense. If you're interested in figuring out if someone is lying about something like being innocent, there are some resources on youtube that go into the sort of body language that liars tend to use.

For your second question, here's an idiom I think you'll like- a wolf in sheep's clothing

It comes close to your definition although the "wolf" isn't necessarily a liar/ someone who won't take responsibility, but a bad person in general.

Here's the full definition of the idiom if you are unfamiliar with it:

someone or something that ​seems to be good but is ​actually not good at all

From The Cambridge Online Dictionary

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Your first question is difficult to answer. A lie detector engineer or a psychiatrist might give you some clues.

As for your second question, I can't come up with an idiom, but I suggest the following single words to describe that kind of person: "false" or "phony"

  • false - (adj) - not faithful or loyal : treacherous: hypocritical.

e.g. "I never thought he could be such a false friend."

"phony".

  • phony (adj) - not honest or sincere : saying things that are meant to deceive people

e.g. I don't think she really means to help us. She is so phony!

If you are looking for a noun, I suggest "a sham" or a phony.

  • sham (noun) - "someone who deceives people by pretending to be a particular kind of person."

e.g. "Many people believed he could help them, but I knew he was a sham."

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