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A quick question that has popped up from talking with my German pen-pal. In the sentence:

I was thinking about eating the apple.

Is eating there a gerund or a present participle?

If it is just:

I was thinking about eating.

then that seems like a gerund to me. But adding the apple at the end has me confused.

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    Thinking is a present participle; that's the form of the verb that's used in the progressive construction. Eating could be a noun or it could be a gerund in I was thinking about eating -- the speaker would probly know, and might make it obvious in speech, but a reader can't tell. Add a direct object, though, and eating is unambiguously a verb, hence a gerund. Add a definite article, and it's a noun: I was thinking about the eating (not the drinking). Without the context, one can't tell. – John Lawler Nov 21 '16 at 18:37
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    Possible duplicate of What's the difference between a gerund and a participle? – Edwin Ashworth Nov 21 '16 at 18:42
  • Thanks. I understand the basic differences between a gerund and a participle. I was just a little confused in this case. Reading around a bit, I think "eating the apple" is a gerund phrase, and "eating" is a gerund. Confirm or deny? – Chris Nov 21 '16 at 19:49
  • @JohnLawler Pretty much answers the question; you should add it as an answer. – Dog Lover Nov 21 '16 at 21:17
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    In the gerund clause X's eating the apple, eating is the gerund. But without a direct object, it's not possible to tell whether it's a gerund or not. Let me say that again -- with only an -ing verb as the object, it may be a gerund or it may not be. Schrödinger's gerund, if you like. It's not automatically to be thought of as a gerund just because it ends in ing. – John Lawler Nov 22 '16 at 03:09
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    It has been argued that the gerund and the participle are not really distinct constructions: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2639 To avoid distinguishing them, we can refer to the "gerund-participle" form of a verb. (That doesn't mean that all -ing words are gerund-participles. The gerund-participle is a verb, but some -ing words are adjectives, like "exciting" in "a very exciting discovery", and some are nouns, like "hunting" in "the Hunting of the Snark".) – herisson Nov 22 '16 at 03:57
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    @suməlic Notwithstanding prepositions like during, which has its own strange story of surviving the extinction of its verb. – tchrist Nov 22 '16 at 05:25
  • @sumelic, Thanks for the link to language log. However, Liberman's post makes no sense to me. Because Liberman as a child couldn't tell the difference between gerund and participle, I'm supposed to assume they're the same? What kind of reasoning is that? – Greg Lee Dec 22 '16 at 05:11
  • @GregLee: I'd assume you should look at Pullum and Huddleston for the reasoning – herisson Dec 22 '16 at 05:12
  • @sumelic, I looked below in the comments at Stephen C. Carlson's summarizing the CGEL "argument". He says "OK, I've had a look at CGEL about abolishing the distinction between gerund and participle, and I have to admit that I didn't find the discussion particularly clear or persuasive." Based on his account, I agree with him. – Greg Lee Dec 22 '16 at 05:21

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In comments, John Lawler answered:

Thinking is a present participle; that's the form of the verb that's used in the progressive construction. Eating could be a noun or it could be a gerund in I was thinking about eating -- the speaker would probly know, and might make it obvious in speech, but a reader can't tell. Add a direct object, though, and eating is unambiguously a verb, hence a gerund. Add a definite article, and it's a noun: I was thinking about the eating (not the drinking). Without the context, one can't tell.

In the gerund clause X's eating the apple, eating is the gerund. But without a direct object, it's not possible to tell whether it's a gerund or not. Let me say that again -- with only an -ing verb as the object, it may be a gerund or it may not be. Schrödinger's gerund, if you like. It's not automatically to be thought of as a gerund just because it ends in ing.

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  • Yes, but how does this bear on whether gerund and participle are distinct? – Greg Lee Dec 22 '16 at 05:27
  • I think it's correct to say that thinking is a present participle. But I don't think that you could say eating in I was thinking about eating can be a gerund (i.e., a verb) rather than a noun. Even without playing with a direct object, it's easy to see that it cannot be a gerund or a verb but only a noun, because you cannot say *I was thinking about frequently eating but can only say I was thinking about frequent eating. – JK2 Feb 20 '17 at 05:49
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    @JK2 Quirk et al prefer a gradience analysis of the noun ... verb distribution here. With sentences like Bill's slowly painting the fence was beginning to annoy me being acceptable, I agree with them. – Edwin Ashworth Mar 15 '17 at 10:59
  • @Greg Lee 'Yes, but how does this bear on whether gerund and participle are distinct?' ___ JL says that eating could be a noun or it could be a gerund in 'I was thinking about eating'. He has chosen another terminology, but essentially he's saying << You can't tell whether 'eating' is verbier {JL's gerund, OP's participle} or nounier {JL's noun, OP's gerund} here. >> And he's been into linguistics a long time. (I never use 'gerund' as it has these conflicting definitions. I go with the Quirk/ACGEL splitting, deverbal noun ... ... ... ... obvious participle in ... – Edwin Ashworth Oct 31 '19 at 13:40
  • say 'he was eating'. ['Eating' is never a deverbal noun, unlike say 'painting/s' in 'his paintings are excellent'.]Though I get stuck in the middle.) – Edwin Ashworth Oct 31 '19 at 13:40
  • ...In the gerund clause X's eating the apple...@tchrist; Isn't it a phrase? A clause's structure is perhaps different. One'r writing an answer; one's receiving a reply, etc. are phrases. – Ram Pillai Oct 31 '19 at 14:09
  • I was thinking about...what? Like, I was thinking about my friend/ my career/ eating the apple. It is a noun phrase – Ram Pillai Oct 31 '19 at 14:12
  • @EdwinAshworth, It's true that sometimes you can't tell whether an -ing word is a noun or a gerund. Why is that a problem? Sometimes you can't tell whether a flap is from a /d/ or from a /t/, but that doesn't mean there is no difference between /d/ and /t/. There is no general requirement that we should be able to deduce what the correct analysis is in each and every example. – Greg Lee Oct 31 '19 at 14:46
  • @Greg Lee You're changing what is being discussed. / 'How does this bear on whether X and Y are distinct?' makes no sense when someone has just said 'you can't tell whether this is X or Y in this case'. They're obviously tacitly claiming that X and Y must be distinct (renaming X and Y). // But as I say, I use a third terminology and a different analysis. – Edwin Ashworth Oct 31 '19 at 15:44
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Present participle has a form of "be" verb before it. Example: I am eating (past simple: I was eating) He / she is eating: (past simple:He / she was eating)

The present participle expresses an action that´s going on at a given period of time. It could be: Present participle: I am eating. (Happening now) Future continuous: I will be eating at 7:20pm. (This will be happening at a given period of time in the future) Past continuous: I was eating at 7:30am (This was happening at 7:30am)

Gerund has no "be" verb before it, unless it´s a question though. Gerund can not use in the past, you´ll need an auxiliary verb before it to do so. This is because gerunds are nouns. Some nouns derive their names from verbs, such are considered gerunds.

Some examples:

I love something. ("Something" in this sentence is a NOUN")

Now, let´s substitute the word "Something" for any other noun:

I love apple I love football (Football is an event, a sport an activity, a sport, a noun.) I love people I love eating (This does not mean that I´m eating now) I love fishing

Similarly,I was thinking about eating the apple falls in the same category

You think about "SOMETHING". "Something" is a "NOUN". Substitute the word "Something" for any other noun to make a complete sentence.

Example:

I was thinking about eating. I was thinking about dancing. I was thinking about life. I was thinking about my family

I was thinking about eating ... ("the apple") is just a complement in this case.

I love dancing (This does not mean that I even know how to dance, perhaps I just like watching it.)

I hope this does help.

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