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Here are excerpts from different American news articles:

a. Mr. Manafort’s case is separate from the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and any ties to the Trump campaign, though this is the first trial stemming from the investigation of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. (The New York Times)

b. On Wednesday — nearly 13 months to the day after the Justice Department announced the arrests of 10 men, including four assistant coaches, as part of an ongoing investigation of corruption in college basketball — the first trial to stem from the probe resulted in a victory for federal prosecutors and the FBI. (The Washington Post)

They both contain a noun phrase (shown in boldface), and the noun phrase has the structure of either 'the first trial stemming from...' or 'the first trial to stem from...'

So both versions seem to be well formed.

If so, why is it that you can't use '-ing' instead of 'to infinitive' in the following sentences?

'Practical English Usage' by Swan says:

Superlatives can be followed by an infinitive structure. The meaning is similar to an identifying relative clause (see 495).

He's the oldest athlete ever to win an Olympic gold medal.

(= ... who has ever won ...)

This structure is also common with first, second, third etc, next, last and only.

Who was the first person to climb Everest without oxygen?

The next to arrive was Mrs Patterson.

She's the only scientist to have won three Nobel prizes.

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  • Search "gerund versus infinitive" right here in this site. Good Luck. – Kris Apr 03 '19 at 10:11
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    @Kris I wish that would answer my question. – listeneva Apr 03 '19 at 10:25
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    It's a bit mushy, but "climbing" implies an on-going process. – Hot Licks Apr 03 '19 at 12:20
  • @HotLicks What do you mean it's a bit mushy? And are you saying 'climbing' doesn't work, because it implies an on-going process? If so, why doesn't 'stemming' imply the same on-going process? – listeneva Apr 03 '19 at 15:36
  • @listeneva - Actually, "stemming" does imply an on-going process, but the "on-goingness" of it may have been in the past. Like I said, it's mushy -- the "rules" are more intuitive than reasoned. – Hot Licks Apr 03 '19 at 17:15
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    @HotLicks I think it's languages, not rules, that are more intuitive than reasoned. Rules are there to help a language look more reasoned than intuitive. If your 'rule' can't do that, I think you should doubt your rule. – listeneva Apr 03 '19 at 23:40
  • @listeneva - Which why I said "rules" in quotes. In many cases they are merely "guidelines", with multiple exceptions. – Hot Licks Apr 04 '19 at 00:51
  • The infinitive to stem is used only in a different sense of the word stem - as in to stem the tide of. I suspect it just clues us in to which word is being used. Of course it appears following another verb in the normal way - seems to stem from, appears to stem from, but I could not find a single example of "NOUN to stem from". – Phil Sweet Apr 07 '19 at 13:23
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    @PhilSweet Here's a counterexample: On Wednesday — nearly 13 months to the day after the Justice Department announced the arrests of 10 men, including four assistant coaches, as part of an ongoing investigation of corruption in college basketball — the first trial to stem from the probe resulted in a victory for federal prosecutors and the FBI. https://wapo.st/2WPd11h – listeneva Apr 07 '19 at 15:57
  • @listeneva Nice find. Ngrams won't accept 4 word strings with a NOUN wildcard. So I ran "NOUN to stem" and no occurances matched this type of stem. Then I searched for specific nouns using the results from "NOUN stemming from" and got zip. – Phil Sweet Apr 07 '19 at 16:49
  • A common meme that uses the ing-form after what Swan calls superlatives is: Will the last person leaving Seattle turn out the lights. Other Google examples include: The first student sitting in their seat will get a treat and The last person standing up with no chair to sit down in, gets the ball. It seems that the ing-form can be used for actions that are or will be in progress and is problematic in contexts where the action has completed: ?The last person standing up got the ball. If I have time I will pursue this line of thought. – Shoe Apr 09 '19 at 08:00
  • @Shoe Thanks. Can't The last person standing up got the ball mean "The last person who were standing up got the ball"? If it can, it should work as well. Now, the problem is, It was the first trial stemming from the Russia investigation I think means "It was the first trial that stemmed from the Russia investigation". Isn't this a completed action? – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 09:55
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    @listeneva. You are right that the standing example could be understood as the last person who is/was standing up, but standing up seems like an action to me, not the state of standing. The source of this quote does not fully resolve whether it's action or state: https://www.hockeyalberta.ca/uploads/source/Coaching_Resources/Coach_Education/Team_Building_Activities.pdf. As for stemming, it seems to me that if something stems from something else, then it will continue to do so into eternity. Stemming is therefore not a completed action. – Shoe Apr 09 '19 at 10:22
  • @Shoe Do you think that the sentence means "It was the first trial that were stemming from the Russia investigation"? As far as I know, 'stem from' cannot be in the progressive aspect. – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 10:36
  • Yes, but verbs that are typically not used in continuous phrases (eg. is belonging / was stemming) can be used in ing-form in reduced relative clauses. Eg. A school book belonging to Beatles legend Sir Paul McCartney has sold at auction for £46,800. (https://www.msn.com/en-sg/entertainment/celebrity/paul-mccartneys-school-book-sells-for-%C2%A346800/ar-BBViXQX) – Shoe Apr 09 '19 at 10:52
  • @Shoe But belonging in your example is reduced not from "that is belonging" but from "that belongs". That is, it carries no progressive aspect. – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 15:15
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    True, but I'll leave it to the experts on this site to say whether belonging to Paul McCartney can be classified as a reduced relative here. As to the climbing example, it seems that climbing Everest in Swan's example implies getting to the top, i.e. completing the action. But climbing is also being in the process of going up, in which case the ing-form seems possible. Imagine an obstacle course, part of which is a wall: John was the first person climbing the wall, but Matt was first over it. – Shoe Apr 09 '19 at 15:41
  • @Shoe Excellent point! Thanks for your insight. I'll have to think it over. – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 15:48
  • @Shoe How about this? In the first trial stemming from the investigation, stemming cannot be interpreted as having a progressive aspect simply because 'stem from' cannot be used in the progressive aspect. Thus, even the participle form can only mean a completed action, so it's allowed. – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 16:04
  • @Shoe But the first person knowing the truth... doesn't seem to work, does it? – listeneva Apr 10 '19 at 03:05
  • Point 1 (stemming): It seems simply to be the case that relative clauses containing (what I will call here) non-progressive verbs (e.g. that stems from, which belongs to, who hates) can be reduced to their ing-form. Google example: Anyone hating any genre of music generally doesn't know the context in which it's meant to be enjoyed. – Shoe Apr 10 '19 at 06:59
  • Point 2 (knowing): It seems to me that you either know something or you don't - it's not a process. Read is a similar verb to climb. Out of context, I read (past tense) the book can mean I spent time reading it or I finished reading it. I usually start my lessons with a period of SSR (sustained silent reading) and often say something like: "The first student reading will be the first to leave for lunch", which exemplifies the two constructions you are asking about. – Shoe Apr 10 '19 at 07:00
  • @Shoe Does this work? She was the first person hating the genre of music. // If you intended (as you say) The first student reading to mean "The first person who finishes reading", I think it should be The first student to read. – listeneva Apr 10 '19 at 12:00
  • @listeneva - It would be grammatically correct to say, 'He's the oldest athlete ever to win an Olympic gold medal [while] wearing gold lame.' In this case the v+-ing form can be interpreted either as an adjectival phrase modifying the noun or an adverbial phrase modifying 'win'. Look at your question from this angle and see if that helps. There may be a link to stative verbs - I'll think about this a bit more. – Leon Conrad Apr 11 '19 at 07:03
  • @LeonConrad Thanks for your comment. Would it be possible to say this? He's the oldest athlete wearing gold lame. – listeneva Apr 11 '19 at 10:35
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    Per Swan, the line in the Times article would be considered incorrect, but that's just a prescriptivist position. Personally, I think "the first trial to stem" is the best-sounding construction in either case, but that's just my opinion, and Swan's, but not some people at the Times at a particular point in time. – RaceYouAnytime Apr 13 '19 at 10:31
  • What is the name of the section in the Swan book you quote from? In my copy of Swan (Third edition) neither section 495 nor page 495 has the sentences you include. – Shoe Apr 13 '19 at 14:49
  • @Shoe It's section 284. (Bottom of page 259) – listeneva Apr 14 '19 at 00:36
  • @KannE What's the 'due to' answer got anything to do with the current question? – listeneva Apr 14 '19 at 01:52
  • @listeneva - the implication of 'He's the oldest athlete wearing gold lamé' is that there is a group of athletes, a sub-group of athletes wearing gold lamé, and that sub-group is ranked by age. I believe it to be correct and equivalent to 'He's the oldest of the athletes who are wearing gold lamé.' – Leon Conrad Apr 15 '19 at 10:15

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To summarize the question:

We can say the first trial stemming from as well as the first trial to stem from. So why can't we say the first person climbing Mount Everest as well as the first person to climb Mount Everest?

In Swan's examples each verb (win, climb, arrive) is what Quirk et al. in A Comprehensive Grammar Of The English Language p201 (henceforth just Quirk) would classify, according to a complex verb tree, as: Dynmamic > Durative > Conclusive > Agentive > Accomplishment.

One of the verbs that Quirk lists as falling into the above category is write. An example of write as a conclusive/accomplishment (using one of Swan's the oldest/first/only, etc constructions) is:

  • Matt was the only child to write a 'thank you' letter (i.e. conclude or accomplish the action of writing it).

Swan's sentence Who was the first person to climb Everest without oxygen? will most likely be similarly interpreted as the accomplishment of getting to the top of the mountain.

These two sentences can be expanded to use the past simple in a relative clause:

  • Matt was the only child who wrote a 'thank you' letter.
  • Who was the first person who climbed Everest without oxygen?

But Quirk also lists write in another category, namely: Dynamic > Durative > Nonconclusive > Agentive > Activities.

An example of write in this category is:

  • Matt was the only child writing at the end of the test (i.e. the focus is on the nonconclusive nature of an action in progress).

Similarly, it is possible to imagine a context using Swan's the first person + climb example where the focus is on the activity rather than the accomplishment. For example, describing an obstacle race:

  • Mae was the first person climbing the wall, but Ximena was first over it.

These two sentences can be expanded as:

  • Matt was the only child who was writing at the end of the test.
  • Mae was the first person who was climbing the wall, but Ximena was first over it.

Another verb that falls into both the conclusive/accomplishment and the nonconclusive activity categories is read:

  • Emiko was the first student to read Great Expectations (i.e. accomplish the task, reading it to the end).
  • Emiko was the first student reading at the beginning of class (i.e. to get out her book and start reading).

So, in summary, the answer to the question why is it that you can't use '-ing' instead of 'to infinitive' in the following sentences? is:

You can, for climb and other verbs which fall into both the two categories listed by Quirk, where the focus is respectively on the conclusive/accomplishment nature of the verb in context or on its nonconclusive/activity nature.


Further thoughts

The OP states of the two trial texts that use the -ing form and to-infinitive form of stem respectively: 'both versions seem to be well-formed'. This seems to be the case for me too. However, it raises an interesting issue.

If we expand the -ing form in This is the first trial stemming from the investigation of Robert S. Mueller in a similar way as above, we get:

*This is the first trial that is stemming from the investigation of Robert S. Mueller.

But stem in this sense of the word is a non-progressive verb, so the expansion results in an ungrammaticality. In other words, This is the first trial stemming from the investigation cannot be regarded as a reduction in the same way as the first person climbing is a reduction from the person person who is/was climbing.

There is a discussion of this phenomenon in the chapter on Relative Clauses in The Grammar Book: An ESL / EFL Teacher's Course (p597):

Participles that do not derive from relative clauses

Our discussion of this topic is incomplete unless we point out that there are also adjectival -ing participles that could not possibly be accounted for via the pronoun + be deletion rule. Recall that verbs which are stative rather than dynamic rarely take the progressive aspect, yet stative verbs can and do occur as adjectival participles:

  • Max built an additional room, measuring 12 by 12 feet.

This -ing particple cannot be derived from a reduced relative clause:

  • *Max built an additional room, which is measuring 12 by 12 feet.

How to account for the structure of such adjectival participles remains an unsolved problem in need of further research.

Note: that The Cambridge Grammar Of The English Language (CGEL, p446) does not use the term reduced relative clause for -ing constructions such as above. They are classified under Post head modifiers > non-finite gerund-participial clauses. Example: People living near the site will be seriously disadvantaged.

And one last point, the CGEL (p118) has a simplified version of the Quirk's verb classification tree mentioned above, but includes the terms telic and atelic as follows: _ Accomplishments [telic] and Activities [atelic]. There is a discussion of these terms on ThoughtCo: telicity (verbs).

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  • I don't have access to any books cited here. But under Quirk's classification, the verb 'stem' doesn't seem to belong to "Accomplishments" or "Activities", because both these are subsumed under 'Dynamic' whereas 'stem' is a stative verb. So are you saying that a stative verb can be either -ing or to-infinitive after 'superlative/first/second...etc + noun', and that a dynamic verb indicating an accomplishment should be to-infinitive after 'superlative/first/second...etc + noun' whereas a dynamic verb indicating an activity should be -ing after 'superlative/first/second...etc + noun'? – listeneva Apr 15 '19 at 01:40
  • @KannE I'm sure the asterisk indicates that the sentence is ungrammatical. – listeneva Apr 15 '19 at 05:48
  • @KannE Yes, a nice answer, although I personally think that the issue of reducing a relative clause is a red herring. – listeneva Apr 15 '19 at 05:56
  • @listeneva. Quirk would classify stem in this sense under: Stative > State. As to the second sentence of your first comment above, your summary of my position applies to stem and climb, but without further investigation I would not want to make the bold claim that all stative verbs can take both forms as stem does in this context. Maybe you could ask this as a separate question because I don't have a lot of time today to pursue this in depth in comments. – Shoe Apr 15 '19 at 06:38
  • @listeneva. Your question in essence was why can't we say the first person climbing? In order to show that we can indeed say that in certain contexts it was important to show how climbing can be considered as reduced from was/was climbing. In my further thoughts I covered the supplementary issue that arose in the comments in respect of the present participle of stative verbs such as stem. I thought the quote from The Grammar Book was useful to show that measuring/stemming cannot in those sentences be regarded as reductions in the same way as in the climbing example. – Shoe Apr 15 '19 at 06:39
  • @KannE. listeneva is right. The asterisk at the beginning of a sentence indicates that the sentence is considered ungrammatical. A question mark at the beginning indicates dubious grammaticality. – Shoe Apr 15 '19 at 06:40
  • I wonder if your two examples Matt was the only child writing at the end of the test and Mae was the first person climbing the wall, but Ximena was first over it can be expanded respectively as Matt was the only child who wrote at the end of the test and Mae was the first person who climbed the wall, but Ximena was first over it. – listeneva Apr 26 '19 at 05:10
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Your last examples happen to use an expression that almost always is followed by an infinitive form.

The phrase "first person" in this syntax suggests that the following clause will describe a completed action. While a present participle could conceivably be used and understood, sticking to the infinitive both fits common usage and avoids complications from suggesting a continuous or progressive sense. For example, "the first person climbing Everest" might make sense in some contexts, like if that person were climbing Everest at the moment the statement was made, or if reference were being made to that moment of climbing in the past. Otherwise the participle form is context-locked in a way the to-infinitive isn't. More generally, "the first person (+infinitive)" is a common expression, and almost always takes a to-infinitive. Searches confirm how common it is. The Corpus of Contemporary American English gives 822 results for "first person to" and 8 results for "first person (-ing form of verb)." The British National Corpus gives 109 results for "first person to" and no results for "first person (-ing form of verb)."

He was the first person to climb Everest without oxygen.

This is not the same as a situation where the infinitive form and the present participle are both valid. In these situations, either form of climb is acceptable; the verb minimizes the distinction between the infinitive and the participle form such that either an atemporal sense or a continuous sense describe what's being tried or liked (see previous Stack Exchange questions 1 and 2):

He tried to climb Everest.

He tried climbing Everest.

He likes to climb Everest.

He likes climbing Everest.

So why does stemming and to stem work in the examples above? First, it's not attached to the same expression as "the first person" or some other personal form, so it need not conform to the same pattern in usage.

Second, all of your latter examples have personal subjects, and the infinitive verb describes the action that the person takes. There's nothing in the description that precludes a participle instead of an infinitive, but the infinitive may better capture the idea that the action is completed. In contrast, with "first trial," the verb form is describing something about this trial. The verb "stem," like "belong," "involve," and "pertain," primarily describes the trial's relationship to something else. These relationship verbs can appear in either infinitive or participle form. COCA confirms this, giving 8 results each for both "first trial to" and "first trial (-ing form of verb)."

  • The 'common idiom' link does refer to an idiom, but that idiom is not exactly the same meaning as my example. – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 00:02
  • Also, I don't think that describing an 'accomplishment' has anything to do with requiring a to-infinitive and banning a participle after the noun. For example, I don't think this describes an accomplishment: Tom Hardy Was the First Person to Know About My Engagement https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/a22697034/tom-hardy-esquire-engagement/ – listeneva Apr 09 '19 at 00:32
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    There's a pragmatic difference between try V-ing and try to V. – John Lawler Apr 09 '19 at 14:42
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    @JohnLawler Yes! I already link to that answer in my post. – TaliesinMerlin Apr 09 '19 at 14:44
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    @JohnLawler I don't know how the 'try V'/'try to V' distinction is any relevant in the current question. – listeneva Apr 13 '19 at 05:34
  • @KannE I agree that the so-called 'relationship verbs' can be an exception to Swan's rule cited in the OP. But I have no way of knowing if they are the only exception or simply one of many exceptions to the rule, because even this answer fails to formulate the reasoning behind the exceptional treatment. – listeneva Apr 14 '19 at 01:49
  • @listeneva What kind of reasoning do you expect? Language usage doesn't always follow neat logical rules, and it'd take work far beyond the reward offered here to flesh out (a) exactly what makes "relationship verbs" usable with this construction when other verbs usually aren't and (b) whether other exceptions exist. – TaliesinMerlin Apr 14 '19 at 02:31
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    @KannE Thanks! My post is perhaps more process than product, and it's hard to find the time to come back to it and clarify. The intermediary parts were helpful for me to think through why parallel situations with interchangeable infinitive/participles aren't like this. That helped me see that at least one class of verbs would allow for either infinitive or participle. I'm not sure it's even the verb itself that's important, but rather its function: it's not qualifying "the first trial to do something," but describing more context about the trial. That's hard to support though. – TaliesinMerlin Apr 14 '19 at 02:38