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I hope I can communicate my concerns effectively, so I can reach an understanding about a topic that I've been reflecting and researching intensely on for a few days. I am thinking about actually infinity in mathematics, specifically set theory with respect to the axiom of infinity, and the set of natural numbers as a completed infinity.

I understand that there will not be answers to this post that will solve the question as to whether or not an actual infinity exists theoretically, but I hope to have answers that will spark insight in my mind.

Questions::

  1. Is the axiom of infinity truly an axiom?

What I mean is that axioms are usually taken as self evident truths that need no proof, but I don't see how the axiom that an actual infinite set exists is truly self evident. It appears that it was created solely for allowing the possibility of infinite sets regardless of how self evident it may or may not be, which seems inconsistent with how axioms are meant to be used.

  1. Are there plausible reasons to believe in the theoretical existence of a completed infinity?

I believe an actual infinite set does theoretically exist, like the set of natural numbers. I see nothing intrinsically wrong or ambiguous with the definition of the set of natural numbers, or with the inductive set used in the axiom of the infinite set. Further, I also believe that if a set is defined, all the elements satisfying the definition or property of that set already exist in that set even though we may not be able to enumerate them all even given infinite amount of time. Consequently, all the natural numbers are in the set containing them, which means this set is a completed infinity. Somehow I find it plausible to have a collection of infinitely many objects within a collection, but I am curious if anyone has found reasonable arguments to bolster his or her confidence that accepting this axiom is not just a leap of faith, but a rational thing to do.

I do hope that this question is philosophical enough in nature, or at the very least have the potential to spark philosophical discussion.

Thank you all in advance for any feedback.

J. Dunivin
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    That the axiom of infinity is not self-evident was one of the criticisms of Russell, who tried to derive all of mathematics from "laws of thought" in Principia. However, the idea that axioms are supposed to be self-evident has been abandoned long ago, they are rather expected to be fruitful and useful in organizing the body of theory under consideration. Similarly, "theoretical existence" of completed infinity is not a question of belief but of practicality. Given how mathematics was practiced it was rational to reject it before Cantor, as it is rational to accept it now. – Conifold Jun 09 '17 at 04:54
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    You'd probably be interested in Defending the Axioms by Penelope Maddy. Here is a relation question on math.SE. Here is Russell talking about the axiom of infinity. – Not_Here Jun 09 '17 at 04:54
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    You should know, if you are interested in set theory or mathematical foundations in general, that ZF minus the axiom of infinity is just as strong as Peano Arithmetic. Neither of those theories can say anything about infinite numbers. So if you believe that the set of natural numbers exists (as you say in the question) then you cannot get there formally with ZF minus infinity alone. Isn't that philosophical reason enough to argue for the axiom? – Not_Here Jun 09 '17 at 04:59
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    Maddy's Believing the Axioms is freely available, see also How does actual infinity (of numbers or space) work? and references there. – Conifold Jun 09 '17 at 05:01
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    "axioms are usually taken as self evident truths that need no proof". NO: they are assumed as "starting points" that we agree on without proof. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Jun 09 '17 at 05:57
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    A "huge" part of math deals with infinity; thus, we need some assumption regarding the existence of an "initial" infinite collection. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Jun 09 '17 at 05:59
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    The strongest rational support to the inexistence of a finite "amount" of numbers is in the very very fundamental intuition about the unlimited possibility of iterating the basic operation of +1. Consider the very simple game of asking to a boy: "Please, think at the biggest number you can imagine... Done ? Now add one to it." But you can consider Ultrafinitism: it seems that there is nothing intrinsecally "irrational" or inconsistent in it. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Jun 09 '17 at 06:03
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    1: Your notion of axiom seems to be outdated. Today, we pick our axioms for various reasons. You can do more stuff with the Axiom of Infinity, so most mathematicians take it on board.

    2: Your notion of theoretical existence requires elaboration.

    – Lukas Jun 09 '17 at 08:13
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    @Conifold Well damn. I've been thinking about actual infinity and the content of the axiom without even challenging whether my understanding of what an axiom really is is legit. Thank you! – J. Dunivin Jun 09 '17 at 12:39
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    @Lukas I agree with your first point. I mentioned theoretical existence as to avoid a misunderstanding that I'm asking whether or not an actual infinity exists in the physical world. In particular I wanted to talk about mathematical objects insofar as they are logically possible to define in a given system and don't contradict other things. I admit that I probably shouldn't have used the word "existence." – J. Dunivin Jun 09 '17 at 13:06
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    @BenedictVoltaire Thanks for the clear-up. Logically possible makes sense to me :) – Lukas Jun 09 '17 at 16:17
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    Very interesting question! I grapple with "effective infinity" on a regular basis in the context of computational intractability. I find the idea of infinite games to be useful, such as Conway's Angel Problem. From a CGT standpoint, it seems to be more of a practical than a theoretical issue, which relates to @Conifold 's point. – DukeZhou Jun 09 '17 at 18:45
  • On my naive level I'd say that 'infinite set' simply defines a limit and that there is no such thing as an actual infinite set. But there are technicalities. –  Feb 24 '18 at 12:04
  • The axiom of infinity is truly an axiom of mathematics, because it is a self-evident thruth. (There are some modern perversions of mathematics which allow for every nonsense as axioms - just like some modern perversions of art allow for shit on the stage.) It is self-evident by the most fundamental action which mathematics is based upon, namely by counting, that for every step reached there is another step possible. However, there are some provisions to observe. A) This statement concerns ideal mathematics, i.e., mathematics that is not restricted by physical constraints. Evidently you cann
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