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It seems that the existence of moral relativism undermines the entire enterprise of ethics, as it devolves into a bunch of, albeit very smart, people abstractly formulating what is ultimately just a particular neurological sentiment.

While I hope that it can be refuted, as I would very much like to see ethics as moving us towards an objectively better life, I find it hard to envision ethics ever being truly prescriptive in the same sense that, for example, medicine is. If a doctor says you need to do something that is uncomfortable or very painful or seems counterintuitive, they can convince you to do it because they can demonstrate, or, more likely, we trust that it has been demonstrated that following their recommendation will heal us or improve our condition. At a fundamental level, this can happen because we don't have medical relativism. Either a disease is cured or it is not. A person can walk faster or not etc.

How can ethics hope to capture this type of prescriptiveness? Is that even a goal? As a non-ethicist but someone who works with the law, environment, and human health, I would hope it would be the goal, as having an ethical equivalent to "medical knowledge" would be very helpful in weighing options.

So, is moral relativism dead? Can we honestly condemn some actions as ethically wrong just as we can classify some actions as medically/biologically harmful (ignore, for the sake of this question, the confusion surrounding nutrition and other "observational-study" dependent sciences, as they are messy and may be much more political).

To the ethically minded (and other ethical optimists like myself), do you see a way out and a path towards a prescriptive ethics? One that can command action even if the recommended course is prime facie undesirable or counterintuitive?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Expansion per Michael's comment:

... 1st, we've got to define with more clarity what moral relativism is, and 2nd, we've got to understand the cause of your dislike for it and [y]earning for the ethical gurus able to shed the light on one and only true ethics."

The first point: I see moral relativism as the belief that every person's ethics is sui generis, and ethics as a whole lacks an objective basis for comparing differing ethical systems. This is in contrast to, say, medicine, where there is a clear basis for what medicine is "about", even though different doctors may hold varying philosophies about treatment approaches (sometimes passionately) and different approaches work better for different people. In other words, there is still quite a bit of subjectivity and diversity of opinion, but, they all agree on the overall point of this enterprise called "medicine". A moral relativist denies this type of "teleological coherence" for ethics, and hence all moralizing is conditional upon an unchallengeable set of moral axioms, with no basis for comparison.

Second point: I am not seeking a pre-written code of ethics nor a prescriptive set of rules, I only "yearn" (to use your terminology) to see ethics actually develop principles that allow us to improve the human condition, as opposed to merely fill books with "alternatives" lacking any way to compare them. I don't think for a moment that such a system would be a cookie-cutter set of rules as the thinkers of the Enlightenment thought. For example, based on what we see in the world today, some principles of a widely applicable ethical calculus could be something like this:

Human psychology is such that values and priorities are not homogenous between societies nor individuals. However, living in accord with ones values and priorities brings the most happiness and contentment. Unfortunately, there will be inevitable conflicts between priorities, with a high potential for a zero-sum situation. Therefore, the freedom of association should be maximized to allow for moral variability and an efficient system of inter-societal transfer should be established for those individuals or groups that find other societies in better accord with their morals. Government should aim to ensure peaceful coexistence between groups and not interfere except to protect from aggression and to arbitrate disputes.

Granted, my principles have a very American flavor, which may undermine my point, but I was trying to convey the gist of what I am thinking. I want to point out the central role psychology, sociology, and neurology will play in an ethical calculus. Its not the rules, per se, but the development of a systematic method for accommodating moral diversity. I think that, like medicine, ethics has a goal, which is to allow people to experience more happiness, less suffering, more peace, less violence...all of which are fundamentally psychological/sociological. To the extent that the human brain has a common base of drives and rewards, we can hope to formulate a flexible ethical calculus that allows for diversity and happiness.

Anyway, sorry for making this long post even longer. I still think it means something to say "ethics", and its not just "whatever I think is ethics" (which could include chess, beer drinking, or a number of other unrelated areas of activity)

  • Alasdair MacIntyre's After Virtue has a lot to say about this. – labreuer Nov 16 '13 at 01:58
  • Thanks for clarification and +1. I don't have much to add though from teleological viewpoint, except that there could be a bit of coherence with another on of yours, but I'm sure you noticed. :) – Michael Nov 18 '13 at 02:37
  • I don't know if there is much absolutism even in medicine. The medical analogy was applied early on in ethics, as even Socrates taught virtue as a sort of medicine of the soul. But doctors in the end are little more than physiological technicians. Consider euthanasia: At what point, nearing the end of life, is the pain and suffering so great that suicide becomes an agreeable option? No doctor can answer this absolutely, and doctor's often have to adopt values, their own, society's, or their patients', to guide their practice. – Kevin Holmes Nov 18 '13 at 13:20
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    The crux of ethical absolutism is political. It asks, essentially, if my moral opinions should outweigh someone else's moral opinions, and how to decide when this is true. This is why this issue keeps coming up, and why people want to refute ethical relativism. The only honest answer to the problem of ethics, in my opinion, came from Nietzsche who saw not a single morality, but many different moralities, and the evolution in moral systems over time. In each morality he found a basic will to power, and historically, morality has in almost all cases been a tool for power than the reverse. – Kevin Holmes Nov 18 '13 at 13:29
  • Is there a Doctor of Philosophy in the house? Ethics is very sick and needs help. – Scott Rowe Sep 10 '22 at 00:57
  • "peaceful coexistence between groups" is not going so well these days in America, but then, it never did. We really need a Solomon that everyone respects to decide these things. My mother used quote (perhaps ironically), "the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship." We just need to find a smart person who is benevolent that everyone likes. Nnnnt! – Scott Rowe Sep 10 '22 at 01:03

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I don't see a path all the way out, but there's a lot more to do to define which bits of what we call ethics can be put on solid objective footing and which bits are matters of style (where anything may work, or where any of a number of different schemes may work).

Studies of innate morality and evolution of morality are particularly interesting in this regard, since it is unlikely that we can reliably retune our innate moral sense. And what our innate morality is is not the least bit subjective: it is what it is, even if it is very difficult to untangle what it is (as our expression of morality is shaped very heavily by cultural and intellectual context). There is good reason to believe, though, that a good portion of our morals are not our choice in any meaningful sense. For example, there is a very strong disparity in willingness to engage in apparently morally equivalent acts: people being run over by trains is not like some people eating others to survive, even though in the end you end up with M of N people dead in order to save the (N-M) others. I think there is lots of room for non-relativism here.

Also, reality is non-relative. There is plenty to be done by philosophers and (mostly) others to understand what makes people happy and how to construct societies such that they are; and also to understand what enables the survival of humanity. There may be many strategies that are acceptable in both regards but there are also doubtless many that are not, and these are surely matters of morality and close to inarguable. (Since you will end up with statements equivalent to things like, "It is good that people go extinct.")

The pragmatic way to go--as found in many sciences--is to make objective progress in areas where objectivity is not agonizingly hard, and then see how far you can get. Maybe you'll get everywhere, and find that your original conception wasn't even coherent. (See early philosophical arguments about life vs. a modern understanding of it, for instance.)

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  • 1: Superb answer! And not just because I happen to agree ;-) This appears to be what Sam Harris was getting at in his book as well. Threre is something actually out there to discover, hence ethics and morals are not just a matter of choice. Of course, the issue of choice and free will bring up a whole slew of other arguments, most of which seem to be reacting to yet another example of the Copernican Principle: We are not the center of things -- not even our own choices, or so it would seem. You've articulated exactly what I was after..there is an objective base, but various outcomes.
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  • @Eupraxis1981 - I think Sam Harris was getting at the same thing, but I don't think he makes the case very well, or at least he didn't as of a few years ago: he was taking a traditional definition of morality, and then papering over well-known difficulties with expressions of disbelief that there was even a problem. You have to give something up; philosophers are not just wrong that there is something tricky going on with is/ought relationships, for example. But the general idea of something to discover is correct, I think, as long as one remains appropriately modest about the scope. – Rex Kerr Nov 18 '13 at 19:37
  • I totally agree. I don't hold any illusions of an exact calculus. Solutions will be underdetermined, but at least we will have a framework. Coming from an operations research background, I can appreciate that even in highly quantifiable, non-emotional situations, mathematics and precision only go so far, at some point, it comes to to a more or less arbitrary (or, to be kinder, organization-specific) choice among vetted alternatives. This is especially true in multi-objective problems with a complex efficient frontier...and this is just simple econ and business! –  Nov 18 '13 at 20:01